Church of Scientology could prove reincarnation!
by curious on Jun.22, 2009, under Faith
The Church of Scientology is in the unique position to pretty much prove reincarnation because of what are known as preclear folders. According to the Church of Scientology one discovers that they lived past lives (www.scientology.org/religion/catechism/pg011.html) during auditing. Also during auditing, the auditor records the facts derived during an auditing session into preclear folders (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditing_%28Scientology%29#Preclear_folders). These facts often include exact time,date, names involved, and places of events. Scientology could produce copies of these folders redacting events that happened less then 6 generations ago to protect the privacy of those that may still be alive or recently deceased.
With the data we would first make sure there were no obvious problems:
-look for duplicate reincarnations (ie. there should be no more then one person claim they were Julius Ceasar) .
-look for disagreements in time/place/names (ie. if two people claimed to be involved in an event, they should agree on the time, place, and names involved, also events should be consistent across all reports).
Once we move past any obvious problem areas we can compare the data against known time/dates. This is where things get interesting. This is where you put historians on their toes. If historians claim certain details about someone’s past life claims are wrong, how do they show which one is right?
For example, someone could claim they were Elvis Borkerlockersmith and they were on the Titanic when it sank. Historians may disagree based on the fact that the name was not on the manifest and that there are no records that show that last name ever existing. Yet, it is possible that such a person existed and managed to get on the boat without being on the manifest. Perhaps the person was a stowaway or referred to themselves by a name that differed from their real name or something.
If reincarnation is true and we are able to pull up time/dates from previous generations then we might be able to completely REWRITE HISTORY and fix many assumed facts!
I would LOVE for the Church of Scientology to prove reincarnation. And, I hope that they use the facts learned in the auditing sessions to correct history books.
Please Church of Scientology, make this happen!
September 6th, 2009 on 2:57 pm
curious wrote: “I would LOVE for the Church of Scientology to prove reincarnation. And, I hope that they use the facts learned in the auditing sessions to correct history books.”
Curious, I’m a Scientologist and wanted to respond to your post. The main impediments to doing what you are suggesting (and this is according to Scientology theory and practice) are the facts that:
(a) Many people, particularly in the early stages of their spiritual development, actually “dub-in” (make up) or alter many of their past lives. And they often don’t realize it until they are much further along the Scientology path. They do eventually arrive at a clearer and more accurate view of their former lives, but it can happen at various stages, in differing degrees for different people.
(b) Scientology pracititioners adhere to a code which requires that they not “evaluate” or “invalidate” a person’s data (e.g. past lives). So if a compilation of past lives were done (in order to prove their veracity scientifically), this aspect would need to be addressed.
Finally, with the availability of information flow these days, it is nearly impossible to prove conclusively that some past-life data was not arrived at through normal means (i.e. the internet, travel, books, tv, etc.)
I’ve done a lot of research in the area, and probably the only *objective* way to prove past lives is to study some of the work of researchers such as the late Dr. Ian Stevenson and his successors.
On the other hand, one can prove both subjectively and objectively to oneself that one’s past lives are accurate (or inaccurate) by simply getting some auditing, moving along the Scientology path, and when one feels ready (with names, dates and places) go out and prove or disprove these past life memories to oneself.
September 6th, 2009 on 3:35 pm
As far as a) Is there a point where a person is able to detect if they are “dub-in” free? If so, research could be done at that point. Does someone become “dub-in” free when they reach the state of clear or an OT level? if so we could just use data from people who reach that specific level.
For b) like you state later, there already is a large pool of information that could someone could look at that may invalidate a persons data. Whatever means are being used to shield a person from this information could be used to shield them from the research done later on.
My understanding is that some people are able to pinpoint historical events to minutes or seconds, this type of accuracy does not exist for much of recorded history. If a large number unconnected people can come to the same exact minute or second for a historical event that would give a lot of credence reincarnation.